GIRLS BASKETBALL: Schedule/Results 2-20-13
Wednesday draws the focus on the Centennial conference where top ranked Grandview has a chance to clinch the outright championship. But it won’t be easy as the Wolverines host 7th ranked Arapahoe who sits two games out of first but in a second place tie with 6th ranked Cherry Creek. The Bruins also face Grandview on Friday so they need Arapahoe to get a win tonight to keep them in the championship discussion.
Grandview won the first meeting over Arapahoe (65-48) when the Warriors were unbeaten and ranked number one in the state. Natasha Edge netted 21 points to lead four players in double figures. The Wolverines then crushed Cherry Creek 56-29 five days later to take control of the Centennial chase. Cherry Creek will be favored on the road at Overland and if Arapahoe loses then the Bruins can move into sole possession of second place entering their season finale with Grandview on Friday.
Neither Cherokee Trail nor Mullen is in line for the Centennial championship but tonight's battle between the two is extremely important to the Mustangs playoff chances. They drop into the 4A ranks for the post-season but to qualify they must finish fourth in the conference. The Mustangs and Cougars are currently tied for that position but since Mullen lost the first meeting, they're almost in a must win situation to keep playing past this week.
Final scores can be reported to Colorado Preps by text to 970.380.7737 or by email to kevin@coloradopreps.com. If you have a twitter feed for your games, please let us know the hash tag so we can follow online.
CLASS 5A
FINAL: #7 Arapahoe beat #1 Grandview 56-47
FINAL: #6 Cherry Creek beat Overland 57-26
FINAL: Mullen beat Cherokee Trail 36-33
FINAL: Smoky Hill beat Eaglecrest 42-39
CLASS 4A
FINAL: Thomas Jefferson beat Kennedy 65-47
CLASS 3A
FINAL: Sheridan beat Denver West 56-39
FINAL: Faith Christian beat Manual 59-32
Comments
Kevin,
I saw a tweet from the Pueblo Chieftain that West will win the tiebreaker with South because their victory was by 5 points and South's was only by 4. Barring anything crazy happening the rest of the week do you still think West and South can both get #1 seeds along with Broomfield? If not, will it be Broomfield, West, D'Evelyn and Mesa Ridge? Or will South jump one or both of them? Before tonight's games Mesa and D'Evelyn had the same SOS per MaxPreps. West, South and Broomfield's SOS are significantly higher. IMO whether your a 1 or 2 is minor since you host but it comes down to your matchup in the Great 8. I don't think any 3 seed will upset any of those teams listed if they got a 2 seed.
That is correct. One of the tie breakers is point differential between the tied teams. If West beats Canon City they will be the #1 seed from that league. With the way CHSAA has decided do the playoffs this year it means that West must be seeded higher than South. I think that means that Broomfield, West, South and probably Mesa will get the #1 seeds. Probably in that order. From what I hear, strength of schedule is going to play a big role and Mesa hasn't really played a tough schedule at all when you compare them to these other teams. The way I see 4A going this year is that after the top 3 there is a drop off to the next 3 or 4 teams. Then there is a significant drop off. Should be an interesting 3 weeks. I am looking forward to it!
Then wouldn't you put D'Evelyn over Mesa for that last #1 spot? D'Evelyn's only loss was to 5A (#1 in some polls) Grandview?
Yeah, i think you are right. I was showing my bias for the southern Colorado:) D'Evelyn's style of play is really hard to match. I saw them both last year and this year and they are tough to play against especially if they get on a role.
My only issue with the statements above is that though Mesa Ridge had a very slightly easier schedule, and I mean slightly prior to League play. It seams like everyone is holding their league against them. Got it! The CS Metro is not very good this year. The facts are that They beat Doherty(5A) by 18 in their own building, beat Monarch (5A) by 19 at the Heritage tournament, beat Fort Collins (5A) in the Heritage tournament championship game, handled Legend (5A) and Valor with no issues, Beat P. County, P. East, and Elizabeth by 20, 32, and 19. Beat their main league rival (Sierra) twice by 19 and 22. And in every single game during league and some of the for-mentioned games, the starters came out halfway through the 3rd quarter and didn't go back in. There is also something to be said about finishing undefeated. The coaches each year try to schedule games that will be tough, but sometimes the teams they expected to be great are only good. If you look at their roster and what they have been able to do so far, they match up pretty good with just about anyone.The starting posts are 6'4" and 6'1" both are skilled. The back court has 2 great ball handlers at 5'5" and 5'7" and a wing at 5'9" that is shooting over 50% this season. With the starters they also have a deep bench, and play well together. Broomfield, P.South, P.West, and D'Evelyn are all great teams and they deserve recognition also. But at the expense of a team that has beaten everyone put in front of them with a average margin of victory of 31PPG. I Don't Know about that? It will be a great tournament this year, and when you add in some dark horses (Sand Creek, Palmer Ridge, Centaurus, Canyon City, Thompson Valley, Delta, Elizabeth, Montrose, Valor, Sierra)it could get even better!
Clearly a tough seeding decision where you have 5 top teams, 4 tested, 1 not but unbeaten. Unfortunately, two will have to play each other in great 8. Odd one out is Pueblo South as they lost last. Who gets them in great 8? They won't likely put Pueblo West there, so its some choice between Broomfield, Develyn, and Mesa Ridge. Bballbooks, I must comment on the quality of the wins mentioned above by Mesa. Monarch's D1 recruit sat that game. Elizabeth's superstart post also was out. Valor's star player was out. These games should have a great big asterisk next to them. Yes they were competitive with a good (but not top 10) 5A team (beat Ft Collins by 2), and that's all we really know about them. Rest of their wins only tell us how they are likely to do in the round of 32. The only thing I see with certainty is there are 5 distinctly dominant teams in 4A.
I can see South getting the #2 because they do have 2 losses (Palmer and P. West). If I was on the committee and man do I wish I was, I would put Mesa and South in the same section so they are matched up in the Great 8. To me Mesa is the last #1 and South should be the first #2 so that's what makes the most logical sense. You're right the committee shouldn't put South vs West in the Great 8 and and I don't think they'll put them against Broomfield either. I spoke to a committee member and they think Broomfield and South are the best 4A teams this year so they don't want that matchup early. This was before West beat South though.
bballbooks, I agree with a lot of your response. I think Mesa Ridge is a very good team this year and next year they will be even better. I respect that they tried to schedule programs that tend to be strong, but unfortunately those 5A teams didn't have great seasons. Doherty, Monarch and Legend are not top 5A teams this year. P. County will finish 4th in the SCL, P. East 3rd in SCL, and Sierra is an up and down team and goes only as Selina Barnes can take them. Elizabeth and Valor are solid top 16 teams though.
To go undefeated is saying something, but it's sure easier to go undefeated when you play teams twice in a very weak league. D'Evelyn isn't in a great league this year either and their one loss to Grandview is their only blemish. Hard to say how Mesa would do against Grandview and then we might be talking about 2 teams with the same record if Mesa lost as well.
Again, I'm NOT saying Mesa is bad. I will reiterate that I think they are very good and have a great chance at a Final 4 appearance. I'm simply arguing based on SOS they COULD get bumped to a #2 seed over a 1 or 2 loss team. I said this as well in a previous post, being a #1 or #2 is almost irrelevant this season. The teams that get the #1 and #2 are so strong this year so you still host and you "should" have no problem with the teams that will be a #3 and #4 seed. What matters is who you match up against in the Great 8 when the #1's and #2's go head to head.
Here is the criteria for seeding in 4A according to the CHSAA post season handbook.
NO ONE FACTOR SHALL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANOTHER in the seeding/pairing process, except that the geographical considerations will be made in the lower seeds to lessen expenses.
1. Record last 10 games of the season
2. League record
3. League standing
4. Overall record
5. Head to head
6. Strength of leagues
7. Strength of schedule
8. Geographical needs
Thanks, I've seen this criteria for years though. I'll break it down for us using the top 5 teams assuming West and South win tonight. Nobody else has a shot at a #1 seed.
1. Record last 10 games of the season (Broomfield, D'Evelyn, Mesa undefeated, West and South 9-1)
2. League record (Broomfield, D'Evelyn, Mesa undefeated, West and South 9-1)
3. League standing (BF, D'E, Mesa #1, West and South tie #1 - not sure about tiebreaker)
4. Overall record (BF, Mesa undefeated, D'E and West 22-1, South 21-2)
5. Head to head (Not applicable for BF, D'E, Mesa. West and South split)
6. Strength of leagues (Northern and SCL 1a and 1b. Jeffco, and a distant last CS Metro)
7. Strength of schedule (per maxpreps and packard rankings BF, South, West, D'E, Mesa)
8. Geographical needs (N/A)
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